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Let's see if I've got this right. He took a group of 24 people and made them guess repeatedly at the numbers. Then he averaged the guesses out to get the final prediction.

And we're supposed to believe this.

I can't wait to get to the pub for lunch. I usually dread it after a DB show, but I'm actually looking forward to it today.

I agree.

I understand he's gotta give a faux explanation but the one he gave was ridiculous. He's contradicting himself in every show.

I was bored watching the whole thing, especially since I HATE camera trickery. I want to be fooled by masterful sleight of hand, not the latest camera effects.

The use of the 2nd camera is obvious, it isn't to show you one day how it's done, although he could, it wasn't there initially for that purpose..

Don't hold your breath on him coming clean on the lottery trick, I think the truth would tarnish his image to the masses beyond belief.

MasterCyde wrote:The use of the 2nd camera is obvious, it isn't to show you one day how it's done, although he could, it wasn't there initially for that purpose..

What's it there for?

kolm wrote:

MasterCyde wrote:The use of the 2nd camera is obvious, it isn't to show you one day how it's done, although he could, it wasn't there initially for that purpose..

What's it there for?

I don't believe I should openly discuss it so PM me for my thoughts.

Also, the polystyrene cup thing. I'd rather have seen the knife than a mouse. I know that's ' missing the point '.

How about the knife *and* the mouse. Now that would have been good viewing. Who would the paramedics help first - the guy or the mouse?

Is it me or would the whole lottery prediction have worked better as a good old sealed envelope thing? He could have done it live on the lottery show. Written down his prediction, handed the sealed envelope to Draw Master Mick (or whoever), the lottery balls would have been drawn, then the envelope is opened and guess what, he got them right!

KISS

stuff the whole thing, what about the lovely Eleanor who was one of the number crunchers eh? corrrrrr!

themagicwand wrote:Is it me or would the whole lottery prediction have worked better as a good old sealed envelope thing? He could have done it live on the lottery show. Written down his prediction, handed the sealed envelope to Draw Master Mick (or whoever), the lottery balls would have been drawn, then the envelope is opened and guess what, he got them right!

KISS

I completely agree but I can see what he's tried to do and he's ultimately achieved it

Wednesday was great. Last night was an anticlimax. Not because he didn't reveal the real solution but personally I'm a bit bored of the whole psychology explanation. Yes, that is his style and his bread and butter but I would have expected something a little different this time.

The theme of this series is misdirection. He certainly didn't explain where it was so I assume it's his standard misdirection of giving people a convincing explanation which diverts them from analysing it further and therefor missing the real method.

Usually with Derren, he gives a false explanation, that we magicians laugh to ourselfs about and the great unwashed all lap up.

The difference this time...laymen haven't been buying it.

...I thank you...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8252235.stm

One of the tenets of mentalist is to be less than perfect, stumble, get a bit of it wrong so 6 out of 6 correct makes it less believable than 5 out of 6. Before passing judgement, wait to see what else is said over the next three programmes.

I think this would have worked better with the explanation running up to the prediction. The trouble here is that we've had two days of speculation before the bulltwang explanation; if we'd been presented with the bulltwang first, then the step towards the idea that it could work would have been easier.

has anyone considered that derren has considered what we are now considering? could he be setting you all up for a triumphant return at the end?

the grand reveal...he'll admit that it was just *whatever* and he needed you to invest in the belief of what he told you for him to continue with the other shows?

some of you may have to eat your dirty, filthy words later down the line...

or i'll have to...

Mr_Grue wrote:I think this would have worked better with the explanation running up to the prediction. The trouble here is that we've had two days of speculation before the bulltwang explanation; if we'd been presented with the bulltwang first, then the step towards the idea that it could work would have been easier.

Good point. I agree.