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http://www.magictao.co.uk/Latex-by-Nefesch

You borrow a coin from a spectator. You ask the spectator to sign the coin, on both sides, to verify that it is their signed coin that you are using. You show the spectator a balloon and ask them to place their signed coin inside the balloon. You then inflate and tie off the balloon. For effect, you can shake the balloon to verify that the signed coin is still inside. You then proceed to do the impossible; you start to pull out the spectator’s signed coin from inside the balloon. The spectator will see the coin emerging from the balloon. You then show that, in fact, there is no hole in the balloon for the coin to emerge from. As an additional kicker, you can burst the balloon and then show it repaired.


No duplicate coins

Borrowed coin

No palming

Start clean, end clean

Perform surrounded

thanks for posting this, I think I've worked it out by watching the demo,
soon as I get some more balloons I'll give it a go, an see what happens,
thanks again :)

LOL

This answers the issue about trailers not showing a full routine. Thanks.

i was correct, I did it well for a first try :) a great effect!

seymourmagic, you serious? Wouldn't it of been more appropriate to just keep it to yourself or do you feel better now that you figured out a trick from a trailer and can now perform it without paying for it?

yes, I do feel better having worked out a method on my own, wich may or may not be the sellers method, I don't know. I would think that any magician runs the risk of a creative mind figuring out a way to accomplish the same effect, and if a mind is good eneough to figure out and recreate the effect, doesn't that mind have the right to use the effect? if the sellers don't like that, then they should come up with more difficult effects to recreate IMO for example I know of several ways to do a card thru window, and have come up with a couple original ways to do it, should I only use my original methods and not use any other method that I know because I haven't bought the other methods? I suppose that would be the politically correct way. but not realistic.
I wasn't searching for trailers I was directed to one, and only commented on how I worked it out, to show appreciation to the one that directed me toward it. Maybe if i put it to much use I would send the creator his due because of guilt, but it's not likely i'll even use this one, and if I do, Should I feel guilty for figuring it out? Should I pay for it? Would you?

Whilst many of us can figure out ways to do commercially released effects which we may never use, we don't post the news in public. There's a certain satisfaction if figuring things out, even if only for the sheer cerebral exercise but that's as far as it goes. And yes, if you perform the effect afterwards there's certainly a moral obligation to recompense the innovator or seller - think how you would react if you, as a professional or a full time magic dealer, released an effect which cost you time and money to develop, produce and market but sold very few because performers had reverse engineered it and were doing it for free.

I agree I shouldn't have advertised that I figured it out, and I would pay for it if I added it to my act or use it at all in any way. I sorta did the same thing with a different effect and went ahead and purchased it after making my own version, just to find out that the method I was using was completely different than the one they was selling, I like mine better but both methods do work. Had I known mine was entirely different I would have continued using it guilt free, but I was sure in my mind I had figured out their method, and felt I should buy it. now I know two methods and only needed my own but at least I haven't cheated any creator his due and my concience is clear.

I quite often find that, even if you have worked out the method it's worth buying the effect anyway because the creater will usually go over a few subtilties that you probably haven't thought of.

The argument is not the fact that someone has figured the effect out, it's the fact that someone thinks it is ok to post the fact on an open forum and bost about it. As creators and producers we know that someone will work out a method if not the exact method. That is ok. As Lady of Mystery mentioned, some of these people will also purchase the product to support the creator or see if there method is the same etc. Just do it behind closed doors. This also brings a good argument why we try and edit something out of trailers. I know I do not edit to mislead people but just to hide the actual workings. Why should I show the switch on the Secure a Card trailer for example, for someone like seymourmagic to just create the effect without paying for it.

"Someone like seymourmagic to just create the effect without paying for it" implies I think this is acceptable behavior, or that I do this regularly, I wasn't intentionally trying to discover his method to not have to pay for it, it just seemed obvious to me, my big mistake was posting my discovery in open forum, I do apologise for having done so. maybe the first sentence doesn't imply what I said at all, it was just using me in this one instance as an example,and I'm fairly sure that this is the case. Just wanted to clarify, I do not condone stealing effects. I assure you, if I was to use an effect that I figured out, I would still buy it, just as I already have when I discovered my method was different. I hope all readers will be as honest if ever faced with a similar situation. I feel that editing a demo is fine if it's to hide the workings of an effect, so long as the editing isn't intentionally deceptive or misleading.

And if there is a small print disclaimer just like on ads for video games - 'Gameplay sequence shortened' for example.

You both have valid points, the error was in saying openly that you had figured it out but, on the other hand, you have also said that you would buy the effect if you were ever going to use it. Personally the bit of getting the coin through the balloon I know how to do from other effects (signed card through balloon for one example) but that doesn't mean I wouldn't buy this if I were to use the coin bit. As Lady of Mystery said, there are always subtleties and handling tips from the original creator that we may not have thought of.

We could go round and round about 'ethics' here so i feel you should both let go before it descends into an argument that may win an award in the TMUK awards ;)